COUNCIL LEADER, John Kent has slammed the chancellor of the exchequer, George Osbourne over what he describes as swingeing cuts to Thurrock.
Cllr Kent said:
“I listened carefully to the Chancellor’s Autumn Statement the other day and knew it would mean we’d take another hit, but it wasn’t until earlier this afternoon I became aware of exactly how much this would affect Thurrock.
I’m going to talk about some figures now, but I also want to make it clear these are ‘assumptions’ as we’ve got to wait at least another week until we know for sure what the government grants will be.
However, the best information we have for the year starting in March is that we’ll be getting £3 million less in government grant for everything from children’s social care, caring for the elderly, supporting bus routes and helping schools to improve. This will bring Thurrock’s grant down to under £71 million.
It then goes from bad to worse. The Chancellor announced a new additional two per cent cut in grant from 2014-15. We were already expecting another £3 million cut, now its £4½ million, so that year our grant will be down to around £66½ million.
Government tell us to expect further cuts too; somewhere around £8 million on top in 2015-16 and another £4½ million the year after that.
These are the cuts on grant we are expecting from the government. It does not take into account such things as inflation (I’m not sure if Mr Osborne had noticed, but prices are going up); the increasing numbers of vulnerable children coming to our attention as families continue to struggle to make ends meet; or the increasing numbers of older people living in our communities in need of various kinds of support.
It does not take account of Thurrock’s increasing population or ageing school and health buildings.
It does not take account of supporting affordable bus services from villages to towns and hospitals, nor of emptying bins, sweeping streets, cutting the grass or even running libraries.
We have always expected a series of cuts, although it seems to be never ending and ever-increasing. We have identified many possible savings and efficiency options and the public are already helping with ideas to Let’s Talk on our website.
But as things now stand we’re looking at a budget gap of around £6½ million in 14-15 and nearly £13 million in 15-16.
If every cloud has a silver lining, I think ours needs to be literal not metaphorical!”
Perhaps the Comrade and his party should have thought of this when they went on their spending spree and expanded the country’s structural debt to fund their social experiments and pet projects. Now it all comes home to roost they don’t like it. Blame it on the Evil Tories it’s all their fault. Yet another socialist without the slightest clue on how to run the finances of his Council let alone the country. How much was Thurrocks Council’s overall spending in 2002 Mr Kent.
These cuts are unfair and i seem to recall NoVoice a time when the council reserves were down to an all time low. could you remind us who was in charge at this time? let the truth be told, the challenge ahead will need both parties to work together for the benefit of local people.
If Thurrock Council is so devastated by cuts how is it the Council’s reserves have increased to over £8 million, that the Council has enough money they want to buy the State Cinema and have enough money to build 200 council houses every year?
If the Council is able to increase reserves then either the Council Tax is too high and the Government grants too much or more probable John Kent is deliberately cutting services so he can issue press releases bemoaning the wicked Tory cuts while stashing cash away in to the Council’s reserves, money that should be spent providing decent public services.
Yes I can remind you Shaw Evans. It was the Labour party that ran down the reserves to a point where redundancies had to be made.Redundancies back in 2001 and in 1998 were far higher than they are now. This was at a time when Labour were firmaly in control. The Labour party have run down the reserves on the HRA and the HRA will be without reserves this financial year if they have another year like the last. H
It’s all very well for you to say the cuts are unfair Shaw Evans but the fact remains that until we as a country spend less on paying the bills and stop using the country’s credit card to pay the bills, something the Last Labour government did for at least the last 8 years it was in government, we will go bust. Labour won’t be able to borrow it’s way out of trouble because that borrowing will continue in perpetuity until we cut the billsor until such point our income outstrips our bills which isn’t going to happen. Growth would have to be over 10% to do that so unless Milibrain and Balls have a miracle solution, they are lying when they say they can cure all our ills. They will cut just the same as the Tories because they won’t have an option. The Labour party put into statute measures that have now increased our structural debt beyond what we can afford so it would take an act of parliament to reverse those steps. Isn’t it funny how we now spend over £20 billion a year subsidising low paid jobs when the Labour party told us we were doing so well adn that mass immigration was going to solve all our problems. Total lies from the Labour party.
So what would you do NoVoice, now, if you were the Leader of TC? Thats if you were democratically elected of course!
Not having full access to Thurrock Councils accounts I couldn’t possibly say. They could start by benchmarking their services t ofind out where they stand and look at the options for those services. They could also stop paying groups like TRUST, get rid of the equalities and diversities team.. The government could repeal the laws that compel all publicly funded bodies to comply with these laws. Employ the Chief Exec on a part time basis as he clearly isn’t needed full time. The same with any other staff that are currently shared with Batrking as I don’t believe that Thurrock will get the best deal out of this. Maybe the Council are already looking at this but my guess is the Comrade is crying wolf. What’s your suggestion JMW118, let the country go bankrupt?
NoVoice. I thought that the UK already was technically bankrupt.
Clearly at the next elections those terrible Labour people will be kicked out of power, and we can start rebuilding as Mr Cameron is doing.
Not quite bankrupt JMW118 although it will be if it follows Labour’s economic model of spend spend and spend some more even though they wouldn’t be able to do it because the banks won’t lend the money. I’d like to see the Labour party elected to goverment sooner rather than later because I think it would be yet another abomination watching a thouroughly deceitful pack of anti British shisters claiming credit for any economic recovery in this country. They took us to the edge, have destroyed the life chances of a generation of youngsters. They trully are the nastiest bunch of liars ever to have entered British politics. I would dearly love to see them squirm when they try to explain why they have to make cuts to their ever more state reliant supporters.
Novoice so just to clarify the idea is to get rid of the Chief Executive, all departments involved in Shared services, so that would include the Assistant Chief Executive, Communications Department, Regeneration, Communities, Press officers, Webteams, and policy officers? Can i say that what a brilliant idea!!! This would finally holt any chance of regeneration in the area, add other services like school improvement and it would finally mean that our children can get the worst education available. Not to mention the timely comment about getting rid of equalities that would finally mean that we can dismiss any pretense to wanting to create a cohesive community in Thurrock or that we aim to challenge discrimination in Thurrock. What a great and sensible approach, your intellect and thought provoking comments are a pride to Thurrock. I mean the Chief Executive has only turned around what many used to describe as a failing authority and helped bring our reserves back to normal levels- but who needs that? Bravo Novoice you are a scholar, an academic and should you ever stand for election, i’m sure there is someone somewhere that would vote for your insightful ideas. Before anyone starts saying Novoice is an ignorant or racist, can i say that we should respect his democratic right to express his views, however ignorant they may seem to those that may disagree.
Colin Baker do i sense a scarcastic twist in your comments? i had to laugh just a little bit. i dont think calling Novoice racist, ignorant and a far right extermist would be wrong? But since you asked us not to i will not. However the bigger issue is do any of those representing the people of Thurrock share these racist views? The issue of TRUST seems to come up in his ranting frequently, so i think it is fair to say on the evidence of this, he/she does not like TRUSt Black residents, ethnic minorities and this is a shame because many ethnic minority communities like to dress up in traditional wear so he would fit in with his white robe, pillow case head dress, and burning cross. Unfortunately for Novoice and his extermist friends, Thurrock has changed and with it the ethnic minority vote is now a major political changer in Thurrock, so any political party that dismisses this vote will suffer badly at any elections. Also most of the people of Thurrock greatfully appreciate equality and the legislation that protects the most vulnerable in society.
NoVoice says:
“Employ the Chief Exec on a part time basis as he clearly isn’t needed full time. The same with any other staff that are currently shared with Batrking as I don’t believe that Thurrock will get the best deal out of this”
Thurrock Council shares a legal service with Barking and Dagenham is he suggesting that we get rid of our lawyers? and what does the council do when staff, unions or community groups take legal action to challenge these cuts? The Chief Executive has been a great assest to Thurrock and we should be thankful he came to this borough, and we should be thankful for the work to make Thurrock a better and fairer place, the problem is that a small element would like to take us back to the old days,
These comments are silly and childish as someone with family with a disability and having experienced discrimination, i wholly support the importance of promoting equality in Thurrock. What people like no Novoice dont understand is that each rant by his right wing group of supporters provides evidence that the work the council does in this area is ever more important- so the message is keep writing Novoice Thurrock needs to know just how much racism and hate is out there in the community.
In terms of getting rid of any services involved in sharing services, i thought in the long term most services might be involved with a shared service, so this means getting rid of the whole council in the mind of NoVoice. Who will empty your dust bin then sir?
NoVoice says:
“I’d like to see the Labour party elected to goverment sooner rather than later because I think it would be yet another abomination watching a thouroughly deceitful pack of anti British shisters claiming credit for any economic recovery in this country”
On this note i would add that NoVoice appears to have political motivations here, and i wonder which party has asked him to blog on this site and blast the Labour group?
You’re right about the sarcasm Shaw Evans and as the old saying goes, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I think I spelled that correctly. If any of you that call me racist and believe that your views are the predominant view in Thurrock, I suggest you get out a bit more. It’s the same lame, banal crap usually spouted by those on the left that don’t like the fact that the vast majority of people in this country and Thurrock don’t buy into their multicultural bullsh*t and their love of mass immigration that has done massive damage to this country. You love the ghetto’s in our cities and towns. You love watching Grays, Tilbury and other towns turned into ghetto’s. Your comment on changing the demographics of Thurrock so that the left can stand more chance of winning shows you for what you are Shaw Evans. You will trample on the wishes of the majority of people in Thurrock just to suit your own ends. It’s a thoroughly disgusting ploy by the Labour party and the left in general to use immigration to ensure they govern in perpetuity and I’m glad you highlighted it because it shows you as the anti democratic hypocritical bigot you are. Your hatred of the majority white British people of this country comes to the fore. And as for TRUST, I think you’ll find the majority of people in Thurrock find them an insulting, racist, publicly funded organisation that uses tax payers money to do nothing more than provide jobs for the brothers and sisters and openly discriminate against the white British majority of Thurrock. I note Thurrock council’s investigation of them got nowhere because it was carried out by their supporters, the anti British Labour party
Colin Baker you can’t even be bothered to read what I’ve written before you reply. If you have then you clearly can’t read. You’re right on the pretence of a cohesive community. It doesn’t exist and therefore is just that, pretence. Equalities and diversity is no more than people employed to enforce the Labour party’s legislation on ensuring ethnic minorities are employed in all publicly funded services in this country regardless of whether they are fit for the jobs, employed simply on their ethnicity. Yet more mediocrity in public services at the same time as Thurrock Labour party tell us that we have to give the part time chief executive his £200k plus package to get the right people in the job. Again I think you need to get out a bit more because you’ll find that people don’t want to share services with the virtually bankrupt Barking just because of the increase in ethnic minorities in Thurrock because of the Labour party’s mass immigration policy. The council’s reserves are in reverse and the self financing HRA will be broke if they have another year like the last, hence repairs not being carried out and properties standing empty for months. An unqualified success on behalf of the chief exec. Once again you seem to want to ignore the wishes of the majority of people in Thurrock and display your own very real ignorance and arrogance that your views and those of the left should be the presiding views of the majority whether they want them to be or not. Thoroughly modern, undemocratic left wing views straight from the Labour party manual no doubt.
And Mr Kofo, you definitely need to get out more. The days that you can spout Labour party policy and scream racist at every person that doesn’t agree with mass immigration and doesn’t believe in putting the rights of ethnic minorities before the rights of the majority of the British public are over. Presumably you’ll be hunting down the people that run TRUST for their anti British, racist policies. All three of you have done nothing more than turn this into a race issue. Good because it shows that the Left hasn’t changed and they will continue with their mass immigration policies in the future to force their view of society on the British public and to ensure that they govern in perpetuity. A nice piece of ethnic cleansing through the back door. Something every British person that cares about the future of their country should think about before voting for a thoroughly undemocratic, lying bunch of hypocrites like those on the left.
Novoice i’m not sure why my comments have been labelled Scarcastic, when i have only highlighted a few point arising from your comments. i’m also upset and hurt that some people have called you racist even though i specifically asked them not to.
Novoice says: Your hatred of the majority white British people of this country comes to the fore. And as for TRUST, I think you’ll find the majority of people in Thurrock find them an insulting, racist, publicly funded organisation that uses tax payers money to do nothing more than provide jobs for the brothers and sisters and openly discriminate against the white British majority of Thurrock.
What is remotely racist about these comments above? I challenge anyone to label your comments racist or extremist or calculated to promote racial hatred.
Novoice said:
I suggest you get out a bit more. It’s the same lame, banal crap usually spouted by those on the left that don’t like the fact that the vast majority of people in this country and Thurrock don’t buy into their multicultural bullsh*t and their love of mass immigration that has done massive damage to this country.
I did disagree a bit with the comment,above because i do get out quite a bit, so i thought saying that i should get out more was very unkind and unfair to me. Maybe you are right and your views represent those of the majority of people in Thurrock. The problem is Novoice that this seems to suggest that most people in Thurrock believe that ethnic minorities are part of a back door agenda of ethnic cleansing as you put it and they hate white people. These seems to suggest real race hate, and tensions in Thurrock, if you are not careful TRUST may get more funding!!!
There was something strangely similar about your comments and those of a particular party in Thurrock which is well know and i’m not just talking about the BNP.
I think this is why some would describe your comments as racist, and extermist views, i mean we dont want people going about conducting ethnic cleansing in Thurrock do we? Also the picture you paint saying: “You love the ghetto’s in our cities and towns. You love watching Grays, Tilbury and other towns turned into ghetto’s”
I found your view that ethnic minorities have turned Grays, Tilbury and other towns into Ghettos, amusing, others will no doubt again call these comments ignorant and racist, but can i ask is the next step in the master plan to send them all back to Africa, Asia, Indida etc, so the glorious white residents of Thurrock can reclaim thier cities? let me know as i’ve got a few friends and family that will need to start packing their bags sharpish.
Novoice said:
And as for TRUST, I think you’ll find the majority of people in Thurrock find them an insulting, racist, publicly funded organisation that uses tax payers money to do nothing more than provide jobs for the brothers and sisters and openly discriminate against the white British majority of Thurrock. I note Thurrock council’s investigation of them got nowhere because it was carried out by their supporters, the anti British Labour party.
I have tried to find this article about an investigation into TRUST and cannot find anything about this, so i can only assume that you are either a member of staff at Thurrock Council in a senior position and with acess to information about this and/or you have links with people in a senior positions in the council that share your views, either way this is interesting and should be warmly welcomed by TRUST, and those involved in promoting the legal requirements around equalities in the area. Should you also be right that your comments represent the views of the majority of residents in Thurrock, you have helpfullly clarified that Thurrock is a racist place, with a majority of residents supporting the racist views and ideas which you have shared, what a great evidence base for those that need to know what challenges exist locally and the evidence that racism, discrimination and hate crime is a real problem here.
The problem with your white supremist ideas is that these are not unique, the belief, and/or promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other racial backgrounds, worked great in South Africa under apartheid worked great in the old days of slavery and the great days of British Empire and whilst we know that many still vote BNP and do indeed share your sentiments, the principle of equality and human rights, is written in law so tough.
However, if you want a real debate take off your pillowcase, put down the burning cross, cut out the hitler salutes, and lets sit down and have a real discussion about the idea of Bristishness, your current insights are about as helpful as a a bunch of rednecks at a KKK rally it is the usual extermist ideas, playing the race card, and trying to create fear between racial groups. Give us your real name, lets have a real conversation about your political agenda and these rants about Labour, the Part-time Chief Executive and the other childish comments you offer us.
The thing with bullies is that you hate it when people challenge your ignorance and are not afraid to answer back, but to all the residents of Thurrock and community leaders lets be clear about standing up to hatred and bigotry, so that our children and our community can grow together with a shared committment to every resident. forget multiculturalism, nobody uses that term now the real issue is doing the best for Thurrock and makng sure everyone is included. I would suggest everyone can support that.
First of all Colin Baker I’m not interested in your hurt feelings. Your initial response alludes that I am some kind of ill educated right wing nut job that barely has a right to say anything because of what I have said. It’s clear to most that the left love to espouse human rights but only human rights to those that agree with their views, The foster carers rights to freedom of association springs to mind. Local authorities and unions banning BNP supporters from either joining a union or working for an authority. The left love to preach but hate to practice the laws that they imposed on this country to support their policies of mass immigration. They cannot promote them in a fair manner because it wouldn’t achieve their ultimate goals. If you have to hold a referendum to prove to yourself that your views are in the minority in Thurrock and in the country as a whole then set one up. I’m fairly confident in what I say. Get the council to hold a referendum. Of course it won’t happen because they won’t like and would dare not publish the results.
Shaw Evans you’re the kind of person that probably revelled in the riots and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were one of those hooded up masked up people in Tottenham or Hackney or other places in our cities. Perhaps you even managed to bag yourself a few early Christmas presents. You clearly are a hater of this country as you refer ever so fondly to this country’s history of colonialism and it’s involvement in slavery. So now you’re here to take your revenge. You no doubt listened to the American elections and were delighted when they said that the old white establishment were finished. You clearly want the same to happen in this country so that the people of this country become the majority to be ruled by the minority. Again that’s ok because it suits the left’s views on our society. Ethnic cleansing through the back door is an absolutely acceptable option to you. You celebrate it as a step forward in the left’s struggle not even realising the bigoted hypocrite you are. You take the negatives in society at every opportunity to re-affirm your views of the white oppressors that should be expunged from your society. Carry on with your lunatic responses Shaw Evans as it simply strengthens my arguments about the left and the Labour party’s intention to replace what it sees as the last hurdle to becoming the establishment. The removal of the culture of this country and any links to it’s past and it’s history by the displacement of the white British population.
Colin Baker the chief exec is part time, he’s working for two authorities. Would you like me to do the maths for you. He’s been here through the false economy of the last Labour government. Now he’s got to face the economic reality of where this country is courtesy of the last Labour government. His success will be proved over the next 3 years not the last 3. My bet is he’ll leave before then, bowing out and saying his work in Thurrock is done.
Shaw Evans you are the most bigoted hypocrite with the most extreme views on this site. Having an open debate with a ranting loon like you would be a joy. You should get some of your friends onto this site to air their views as well. The Labour party’s and the left’s job isn’t quite finished is it Shaw Evans and you are the perfect reason why the British public should never vote the Labour party into power again.
Wow! All that intelligence is so mind-boggling.
Happy New Year to you all!
Lets get this into perspective, the country as a whole is in debt, regardless of which party got us into that state, and everyone has had some form of cuts in their finances, why should TBC not be any different?
Have TBC collected their £3m in outstanding council tax as yet, and if not why not?
Surely there are cuts that can be made across the boards within the council offices as presumably a lot of jobs are duplicated as is the norm in public office, how many public funded groups are still dipping their hands into the purse when they could be turned into charitable groups that are not paid for by council money.
Mr Kent talks about Thurrocks increasing population, now where did this massive increase come from as I don’t believe it was the locals that caused the increase, if people are moving to within the borough from London boroughs why are they being put up in council properties at our expense?
Cuts will always happen whilst in a recession and until the whole country is starting to recover then councils will have to cut their cloth to fit just like any other business and bitching and moaning about it every five minutes is not going to change a thing.
One way of saving money would be to implement an efficiency drive at New Road.
I can from my own experience in dealing with the council rent office categorically state it is probably the most inefficient of financial departments I have ever had the misfortune to deal with.Whilst dealing with my mothers estate they managed to lose copies of probate and death certificate,lost my letter informing them of her death and her sheltered accommodation flat consequently being vacant,not once but twice .The second time I went to the rent office and waited while they took photocopies.I was informed a cheque for council tax and rate owed to her would be in the post within 7 days,3 weeks later still no cheque.Eventually a cheque arrived nearly 6 months after my initial contact advising them of her passing.
My brother-in law had a similar experience just recently,again they lost documentation,eventually sending him a cheque for less than 60p !!! I am quite sure these are not isolated incidents with this department and indeed may be prevelant in other departments.Too many staff dupicating jobs no proper record keeping,it needs sorting and quick, but will the brothers at Unison allow a thorough overhaul I think not.
I don’t always agree with NoVoice but he does usually put up valid arguments for debate. Unfortunately, there are sometimes odd individuals who don’t like what they hear and attack the poster instead of arguing the points. Shaw Evans, your attack on NoVoice is out of order and an apology to him from you is due. If you can’t summon up enough intelligence to answer the points raised by NoVoice then say nothing. You certainly shouldn’t accuse him of being a white supremacist, a member of the kkk and a bully.
grays64 as a member of the ethnic minority community that Novoice so often speaks about i would make it clear that his comments are offensive and in particular the idea that we are part of some immigration plan to create ethnic cleansing of the white community is absurd and highly offensive. it is a clear reflection of some of the views we have in Thurrock that he has the afront to say these things. Many of us have experienced real ethnic cleansing and lost family and loved ones so the comments by Novoice are of such a racist nature that it is right to describe him as a bully, he should be ashamed of starting this discussion, again the article had noting to do with race and it did not warrant the personal attack on council officers, chief executive or the Labour administration.
Chad Kofo the biggest bullies this country has seen in the last 14 years is the Labour party and the left. They have imposed mass immigration on this country and lied through their teeth about it. They have put in place no end of laws to make sure that nobody could speak out against it or challenge it in any rational way. As soon as anyone puts their head above the parapet and tries to discuss it the left immediately scream racist. They have bullied this country into accepting something nobody in this country had the opportunity to vote on because the Labour party were so proud of their policy they wouldn’t even include it as part of their election manifesto’s. They lied. I find you offensive Chad Kofo in coming to this country and joining in attacking anyone that doesn’t agree with mass immigration and joining in with the left’s rants against anyone that does.
You’re absolutely right this article wasn’t about race. It was you, Colin Baker and Shaw Evans that turned it into that. The Chief executive is part time in Thurrock because his job is shared with Barking and I’m not quite sure what you can’t grasp about that. If you look at the last two years of Thurrock Councils accounts, there have been no overall cut in expenditure; expenditure has increased so the chief executive has not dealt with the financial situation facing the country as a whole.
I am sick and tired of people like you banging on about your rights and your hurt feelings when the rights of people that have generations of family born in this country are trampled on by the left.
I am not against immigration in itself but I am against the scale of immigration into this country and the reasons behind that have still to be explained by the Labour party and the left. They probably will never explain their reasons behind it because their arrogance leads them to believe that their ideas are above the average intelligence of the British public. Either that or they have another reason they want to hide it from the British public. The left doesn’t have a right to do with this country what they want. They don’t own it and they don’t own the British public. They owe us an explanation.
I am entitled to ask questions and comment on the performance of anyone that deals with my hard earned and paid taxes. It’s a right anyone in this country has unless the left have removed democracy once and for all. Try making some comments about why the council spends its money on what it does and not ranting on about being a separate part of society that requires it’s rights to be respected over everyone else’s.
NoVoice.
So why doesn’t our present government do anything about immigration now?
Telegraph comment recently uncomfortable reading for a Tory Member
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9770710/Its-two-years-away-but-the-2015-election-is-already-lost.html
Because the liberals have jumped on every attempt to stem immigration as they will jump on any attempt to stop Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants coming here in 2014. It’s not unknown that the Tories have stated that they would like immigration reduced to tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands a year. Until they are allowed to get rid of the abuses of the system like student visas for people that never even sign on to any educational courses it won’t stop. Unless in your enlightened view JMW118 you know something different.
It would appear from the Telegraph article that I’m not the only one that believes Labour’s mass immigration policy was a deliberate attempt to marginalise the British people. Perhaps when we get back to the stage we are giving more of our earnings to the government than we take home, maybe people will see the Labour party for the wretched bunch of liars they are. But we can always rely on their benefits for all policies. So we’ll all earn the same and nobody will get rich. The perfect ending for Labour.
Novoice said:
” It’s not unknown that the Tories have stated that they would like immigration reduced to tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands a year”. What is not unique about any economic downturn is that when things get tough it is usual for people to start looking for scapegoats it happened during the great depression with the irish and other groups, it happened with the Jews with the depression before the 2nd World War and so we cant be surprised when individuals like you in this day and age start the same type of anti-community logic that is always appealing to a small political minority and unfortunately some sections of the community when things get tough.
These smear campaigns which people like Novoice like to engage in, are becoming more frequent across the region. http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/smear_campaign_targets_havering_councillors_and_romford_mp_1_1754048?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it# At the end of the day, political actions will tell us which party is representative of fairness and protecting our most vulnerable citizens and the party which is most likely to pander to racist sterotypes about immirgation etc, as you rightly point out we doubt it will be labour but to be clear many Tories are prepared to stand up for the community and understand the need to value the contribution that all groups in this borough make. it is not surprising that the first Asian Mayor of this borough was elected by 100% of both parties, whether this was by chance or design i dont know but clearly there is still a very active far right view in the area, and the evidence is showing that this view is gaining momemtum as cuts are made and the immirgrants as Novoice puts it are seen as the enemy or the scapegoat. Clearly the biggest losers will be those without a voice and the most vulnerable members of our community. Also we can expect over the next few years a rise in hate crime and increasing community tensions based on the type of views expressed by NoVoice and his comrades.These will be interesting times.
I have no idea what that link has to do with anything Chad Kofo.
If millions of white english people turned up in Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda, Kenya, South Africa or Zimbabwe uninvited by the people and demanded free health care, free education and free housing, what response do you think they would recive from the people of those countries? I think I can hazard a guess since witnessing the slaughters that have been carried out on the TV of immigrants crossing borders for a better life.
The fact of the matter is the people of this country were not consulted on the level of immiration and laws to back that up passed by the Labour party. That is not democratic rule and the vulnerable and people without a voice in this case are the British people. Immigrants are more than protected by the left and the mass media. As for hate crimes, how many black people have been stabbed to death by white people in the last few years Chad Kofo and then ask yourself that question in reverse. Are the deaths of white people at the hands of immigrants hate crimes, not according to the left they’re not. The fact of the matter ios immigrants are more likely to be murdered by other immigrants in this country so you’d be better off looking closer to home on that front.
Thurrock is a more segregated place than I have ever seen in my years in the borough and that has happened over the last 8 years or so. That’s not because of the local community that was. You need look no further than London or any other city to see where that problem lies. Some people may not like what I say Chad Kofo but unfortunately the truth hurts and people like you and the left don’t like to hear it.
The article you’re link goes to Chad Kofo seems to be more connected with homophobic comments and public servants overspending . Who would you consider to be more homophobic Chad Kofo, white British people or black African people? I met Andrew Rossindel when he stood as a candidate against Andrew MacKinlay in Thurrock and I doubt whether he was attacked for his views on immigration which may well be to the right of mine.
It is interesting your views and descriptions of those from Africa, Nigeria, Asian and other countries also the descriptions of these people as killing white people also interesting. Novoice said:
“Are the deaths of white people at the hands of immigrants hate crimes, not according to the left they’re not”
i would point out that a hate crime is any crime that is based simply on things like race, disability or someones sexual orientation. The point about the link i posted is that your attempt to smear labour is silly, and this type of approach is used by people like you with far right and extermist views as in this link http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/smear_campaign_targets_havering_councillors_and_romford_mp_1_1754048?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it# used to smear and portray the conservatives as racist. it is unforunate that many people like you try and portray the conservatives as the party of hate and anti-minority groups. Do you really think they support your views that immigration has resulted in blacks killing whites, ethnic cleaning of the white community and all the other far right extermist philosophy which is typical of an old Thurrock, mentality. Whilst it is clear that these views are coming back, i hope all political parties will stand against united against these views and the racist ideologies that underpin them (clearly time will tell whether your views or mine are right)
A lesson in history Novoice the great English monarchy is of German ancestry, most British have germanic and african ancestry and should you reserach your own British ancestry, i think you would be sad to find out that you probably have african, swedish, and german roots at the very least. The reality is that often it is ignorance which leads to these extermist views on immigration, so can i refer you to Chafford Hundred Primary where ofsted have recently suggested an improvement plan- you might find the history lessons helpful.
Once again Chad Kofo it is you and people on the left that started with the hate crime rubbish. Before Labour came to power there was no such thing as a hate crime. Hate crime appears to be disassociated with attacks on white people by ethnic minoroties as though ethnic minoroties are not capable of racism which is of course rubbish.
You’ve tarred the people of Thurroc k that have lived there more than a few years as all racist in that the old Thurrock philosiphy is somehow far right and extremist and not in any way associated with people’s legitimate concerns that immigration is out of control. So according to your views, move over old Thurrock you’re finished because the new people of Britain are here now so they have no legitimacy any more. Very modern left of you you racist.
I don’t need a lesson in history from you Chad Kofo. The British people are fully aware of our heritage and history, something your previous statement appears to seem to wash away with the arrival of Labour’s mass immigration policy. I doubt you know anything of the history of Thurrock or Britain past the usual soundbites given by the left that we are all immigrants.
I notice you failed to mention what you thought the welcome would be for white English people in Africa. Perhaps we should all mover their, push out the local people out and tell them that their time is up. But that would be a bit colonialist wouldn’t it.
And I think you’ll find that Queen Victoria’s father was very much English as the fourth son of King George the third and the origins of man have not been proven beyond doubt.
Chad Kofo has the frustrating habit (typical of quite a few left wing activists actually) of arguing points that haven’t been made rather than answer the points that have. It is a fact that the Labour Government under Tony Blair embarked on a policy of mass immigration without asking the people of the UK if they wanted it. It is a fact that some parts of the country, particularly in the South East and Midlands, have been changed beyond all recognition and forever by the influx of immigrants. It is a fact that large parts of the (for want of a better word) indigenous population are extremely unhappy about that. Cutting all of the other arguments out, the one thing that strikes me most of all is this; why is it totally accepted that immigrants have the right to choose where they want to live and yet, at the same time, the indigenous population are refused that same choice? I mean, it seems totally OK for large parts of some Northern towns and cities (and some London Boroughs) to be dominated by one ethnic group or another but it is absolutely not alright if native Brits want the same for their own communities. Personally, it wasn’t an issue I fretted over much, I see people as people and not nationalities, religions or skin colours but I have to say, the rate of change in recent years has been alarming and I do understand the concerns that various people have raised here.
I have to say that the language that I have used reflects the extreme language used by other people. I find it quite insulting to be called an extreme right wing nut job and racist for initially commenting on what was an issue of the non existent council cuts. Unfortunately for the left they can only resort to extreme language and insults because they can’t quantify in terms of monetary value the benefits of mass immigration to this country or argue the point of mass immigration to their favour through other benefits that policy has provided to this country. So they resort to calling people racist and ranting on about hate crimes. An emotive word used by the left as if to add more credence or weight to their argument. Why don’t we have greedy git shoplifting crime, really evil violent crime or chav layabout benefit fraud? It really is a childish response to criminal behaviour, the severity and circumstances of which would have already been taken into account by the courts. But no, the left makes a childish attempt to sensationalise it and somehow make it seem worse than if a white, heterosexual male atheist were the victim of exactly the same crime. They once again set apart elements of society and then claim to be the protectors of those elements of society. That’s one of the main reasons why society is now more fractured than it has ever been. Congratulations to the left. Maybe someone on the left could explain the benefits of mass immigration without resorting to name calling and the use of the words extreme right wing, racist, xenephobe etc etc. Any takers.
Novoice the language you have used reflects your racist ideology nothing else. To accuse ethnic minorities of ethnic cleansing is about as close as you can get to insighting racial hatred in Thurrock. Your views sadly reflect this growing far right extermist ideology in Thurrock. Whatever you might have called hate crime before do you really think it was acceptable? The reason why you and others have been called racist is that your views fit that definition:
racist Web definitions:
a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
So in this sense the word racist is used in a very matter of fact definition of your views unlike your insults targeted against black, Asian and other ethnic groups. In almost all the different posts here responding to your comments and those of your comrades people have only quoted your comments. We can leave it to people to judge whether your views are racist or not. There is clearly a lot of work to do in Thurrock to build a better community most of this work must focus on this new age racism, and exterme far right political ideology which is now more evident in our communities and even represented in mainstream politics in Thurrock.
You are a racist Shaw Evans. Again you answer none of the points. All you can do is spout the crap of the left. The people of Thurrock don’t need re-educating in the ways of the left. You are a fanatical bully of the left who believes that those that don’t believe in what you say is the norm or is what society is, then they have no place in society. You are typical of the left. You hate free speeech. You hate democracy and you hate anyone that doesn’t think as you think. The only way you are going to cha\nge Thurrock is by moving more and more immigrabts into the area which seems to be your plan. Or are you going to bring in new laws that says anyone that disagree’s with you will be imprisoned or executed or banished from their own country. You display the exact behaviour of the Nazi’s in the 30’s. If people don’t agree then ban them of imprison them or worse. In short just shut them up or get rid of them. We fought a world war to get rid of Nazi’s like you. Never have a said that I am o0r any white peole are superior to any other person. It’s in your warped mind. You have nmothing more to say and as per usual cannot offer any reasoned arguments in favour of mass immigration. You’re just a one trick left wing fanatic that should take his message to the streets and pubs of Thurrock along with Chad Kofo and tell the people of Thurrock that they will do as you say or you will simply outnumber them with more immigrants and get rid of them that way. The people of Thurrock are not worthy in you world. You utter moron.