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Thurrock MP questions sales of contraband cigarettes

THURROCK MP, Jackie Doyle-Price rose on the floor of the House to question the sale of contraband sales.

Jackie Doyle-Price (Thurrock, Conservative)

“Recent press reports have revealed that as many as a third of the number of cigarettes sold in the London area are contraband. Will the Minister discuss the matter with those in other Departments, in order to ensure that the objective that we are trying to achieve by standardising packaging will be achieved by that means?

Anna Soubry (Broxtowe, Conservative)

“I shall be meeting the relevant Home Office Minister today to discuss that very issue, but let me repeat that, far from being a counterfeiter’s dream, the packets produced in Australia would clearly be a nightmare here. A variety of colours, watermarks and holograms, and all manner of other things, can be attached to them, which is why they are described as “standardised” rather than “plain”.

14 COMMENTS

  1. Albert, Talking of the big issue. The state of Texas saw a massive chemical accident this morning killing and injuring many people who lived close by. Perhaps our wonderful caring MP and her know it all stooges should take a look at that chemical plant at west Thurrock ?. I remember this website ran a story about former tory councillor John “the dog” cowell a couple of years ago claiming he knew how they got away around planning for this site ?.

  2. And Albert wins today’s prize for “not really engaging with the issues, just name calling”. Way to go Albert!

    Illegal cigarettes are a significant issue for Thurrock. The sellers of contraband cigarettes are involved in a sophisticated and organised crime, and often they spend the proceeds from that on further criminal activity. Given the number of ports and docks in Thurrock, contraband cigarettes smuggling is probably a noteworthy cause of significant serious criminal activity in Thurrock.

  3. Descamisados you win first prize every time for rising to the bait
    you must be in love with her or want something very badly

  4. Joe h don’t mention that company on your Thurrock you know Mike doesn’t like it,
    Just like the story about the fire at Hogg Lane I CG Ltd earlier on in the week mysteriously vanished unless you put it in the search bar surprising what you get for a donation isn’t it

  5. What I really want is to be able to have sensible, civilised and informed debate about serious issues with fellow Thurrock residents. Alas, Albert you are part of the problem not part of the solution.

  6. Descamisados
    What I really want is to be able to have sensible, civilised and informed debate about serious issues with fellow Thurrock residents. Alas, Albert you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
    I would like to have a civilised debate to, but when you constantly carry on like you are Jackie’s press officer it gets boring after a while, what do you expect, I have seen brown nosing in my time but you have got a black belt in it, I am surprised you can get off your hands and knees to write a blog so please change the record it’s getting boring why don’t you lighten up a bit

  7. Descamisado in my opinion you attack other bloggers for their opinion, I remember you being challenged about the Tory Group,senior members having secret offices and there under handed deals with a giant chemical company in the West Thurrock Area,in my opinion i believe Jackie shouldn’t worry about a simple cheap Puff when certain people in her party I believe including her don’t declare meetings,free offices, and secret meetings with the owners of a certain company, this company being told four years before the LDF was in consultation that they could have a Waste to Energy site and the support of The famous Joy Redsell a dear friend of the brothers it’s not what you know it’s who you know, and I believe Ben likes certain rolled up Fag so Jackie when you have a good puff think on what’s important being honest or a cheap Fag who really are the criminals in my opinion

  8. Albert – I happen to think this is an important issue; you do not. Note how I back my opinion up with a series of conjectures about the context of the question, i.e. serious organised crime. You could have attempted to engage with this, however opinion is a sarcastic quip and a homophobic slur… and have followed it up with an attack on little old me! Civilised…

    Superman – I moved to Chafford Hundred after all this IGC alleged corruption stuff happened, I don’t know what happened and based on what I’ve read on here, Gazette, etc I don’t think anyone really does. So I tend to avoid commenting on it. Your comments appear to me to be, frankly, cheap innuendo, slurs and potentially slanderous accusations. If you have evidence, go to the police. If you don’t, feel free to keep parroting on like a religious bloke at a football match with a megaphone, but I won’t be paying attention, or engaging with it.

  9. Descamisados
    Could you show me the statistics for Thurrock regarding your statement that the proceeds of contraband gets ploughed back into organised crime or was it just a generalisation
    The main concern of which Jackie Doyle Price should have been concentrating on is of course what is inside the cigarettes and the dangers presented to the public and not the concern of the loss of tax these products represent
    In the short article associated with the story I see absolutely no mention on health issues only on standardising the boxes which these cigarettes are sold
    I look forward to your statistics

  10. Albert, can you at least try and Post without being smutty and rude? Descamisados is a lady after all! JDP’s question was valid, there is a concern that standardised packaging will be easy to fake. It wasn’t a question about the health implications of dodgy cigarettes. Because the cigarettes in question are contraband, by definition, the people selling them are criminals. Therefore, money raised by selling contraband is funding their continued criminal activity. It’s a pretty straightforward issue and really undeserving of the responses made to Descamisados.

  11. Gray64, your analysis is perfect – though I wouldn’t ask for any special treatment just for my gender. We’re all equals on here, and we should all equally reject innuendo and nonesense, whoever it is from.

    Albert, like most comments on here my comment is an observation, not a statement of fact. We have lots of ports and opportunities for smuggling. So we might be at risk of organised crime. Or we might not for some reason – effective policing perhaps. But it is a legitimate discussion to have.

    If you require further convincing of the link between contraband cigarettes and organised crime, my suggestion would be use google. For example, here is a 2009 Guardian article which says this issue is:

    “one of Europe’s fastest-growing forms of organised crime. (A UK border agency spokesman) said: “Cigarette smuggling is a serious organised crime and often provides the funding for much larger criminal operations such as drug smuggling or people trafficking.””

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/06/cigarette-smuggling-uk-organised-crime

  12. Descamisados is it now 2009
    Britain is winning the war against tobacco smugglers who target cheap cigarettes at poor smokers and children and deny the Treasury revenue, according to a parliamentary report.
    In 2000, one in five of cigarettes smoked came from the black market. But by 2010-11 traffickers’ share of the cigarette market had fallen to 9%, according to the report on the illicit tobacco trade by the all parliamentary group on smoking and health.
    Over the same period, the share of the UK’s hand-rolled tobacco market originating with smugglers fell from 60% to 38%, an inquiry by the group of MPs and peers found.
    Gray I have taken on board your comments regarding Descamisados the problem I have with her, is her relentless idol worshipping of Jackie girl perhaps she could give me a long list of the things Jackie’s achieved for the residents of Thurrock since becoming an MP I’ve looked the answer Zero
    It’s perfectly acceptable for her to rise in Parliament and enter into discussions regarding contraband, but I feel it would be more appropriate for her to discuss things on the behalf of her constituents who put her there, but like all MPs once installed they have very short memories and this applies to all parties, again mentioning Descamisados
    Descamisados
    April 18, 2013 – 10:12 am

    Illegal cigarettes are a significant issue for Thurrock. The sellers of contraband cigarettes are involved in a sophisticated and organised crime, and often they spend the proceeds from that on further criminal activity. Given the number of ports and docks in Thurrock, contraband cigarettes smuggling is probably a noteworthy cause of significant serious criminal activity in Thurrock.
    Descamisados
    April 19, 2013 – 11:08 am
    Albert, like most comments on here my comment is an observation, not a statement of fact. We have lots of ports and opportunities for smuggling. So we might be at risk of organised crime. Or we might not for some reason – effective policing perhaps. But it is a legitimate discussion to have.
    So Gray as you can see from the two comments the first would be I believe a statement of fact the second they are observations this is what annoys me when challenged to supply Statistics to back up statements of facts, I am informed my comments are nnuendo and nonesense, and in fact quite the opposite in this case
    I am quite warming to you Gray I believe you talk quite sensibly also with a great amount of experience

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