Ten London boroughs sending their homeless to Thurrock

Why Thurrock?

…because it’s cheap and still relatively close to London. I would imagine Thurrock is not unique in housing Londoners….Basildon and Southend are two other boroughs who I suspect have taken in London families.

That said, I’m not so keen on families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney moving here.

Tip of the iceberg. The welfare reforms didn’t kick in until April for under occupancy and the benefits cap. Universal credit won’t be rolled out until probably next year. I currently work in Margate which is being targeted by the London Borough’s becasue the average rents there are minisule in comparison to London and they have a high level of shared occupancy houses. A room in a shared occupancy house is about £250 PM and a one bed flat is about £350 pm. They caught 3 big issue sellers in the toilet of the train last Thursday afternoon bunking their way back to London. Don’t you just love mass immigration.

Thurrock has exciting new housing plans with

A 3000 home development in Purfleet
The redevelopment of part of St Clere’s golf course in Stanford
The potential houses on Heath Place Farm, Chadwell/Orsett Heath
New flats in Tilbury
The South Essex College site in Wood View, Grays
350 homes on Aveley by pass
The potential development around East Tilbury stattion
All the London Road West Thurrock/South Stifford development

…so I imagine Thurrock will be location number one soon for London boroughs to send their homeless families as we’ll certainly have enough homes. W’ell also have a lovely new river crossing as well which will ‘ease’ congestion.

Bernard87 – as someone who is very keen on history for hundreds of years people have moved out from London to Thurrock so could you elaborate why you are not keen on families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney moving to Thurrock?

Surely a more important question is whether these families want to move to Thurrock? Whether there are more that want to live here? And if not why not?

“Bernard87 – as someone who is very keen on history for hundreds of years people have moved out from London to Thurrock so could you elaborate why you are not keen on families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney moving to Thurrock?”

Ed, I’m well aware of the tide of ex-Londoners who move out to the suburbs. I am one of them after all. However I moved out to live somewhere that was not London in all but name and those particular areas are high in crime and have a whole host of other inner city problems which I would rather not see transplanted to Thurrock considering we have enough problems here as it is.

If all these families are law abiding, hard working folk then I’ll welcome them all but I fear that councils will simply move problem families, or families with many children out here to ease the burden on themselves. Not to mention asylum seeker and/or refugee status families.

I know why I don’t want tens of thousands more people moving out of London, aside from their homeless people and all the additional problems they bring.

The place is full to bursting point. The hospital we all have to use cannot dealwith the additional stress. We don’t have enough doctors surgeries. We don’t have enough school places. The roads are clogged. The people that arrive are generally ethnic minorities who move to certain parts of the towns which are now beginning to turn into the ghetto’s we see in London. Violent crime is on the rise, maybe coincidentally. The area has lost its identity regardless of the hundreds of years people have been moving from London. The last time we saw this amount of people move to Thurrock from London was during the second world war and I doubt even then there were as many.

There’s a few reasons to be going on with. Why we would want more homeless people is beyond me as they tend to have no intention of making any connection with an area and therefore the area means nothing to them so why should they care how they behave.

Let’s not beat about the bush. A large number of people believe that there are areas of London that are a cesspit and I can’t think of any compelling argument as to why we would want to turn Thurrock into one of those areas.

Boris promised no Londoners would be forced to leave London. Just more BS from Boris. 21000 Home building project in Thurrock and 38000 jobs. 5000 Homes built / planned so far but no jobs! New Port simply moves jobs from other areas. Many Housing Assns / Councils outside London have reclassified two bedroom flats / homes into 1 bedroom so residents can remain in their area. There appears to be a plan to dump those on low income out of London as few schemes of reclassification in place.
New Cash Convertor in Grays – to be opened by MP / Leader of Council? Breakfast / Evening clubs closing. Traffic choas to come. Why come to Grays? Soon we will be a London Borough anyway.

Bernard87 – I don’t think I like the undercurrent in your statement “That said, I’m not so keen on families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney moving here”. It gives the impression that you think people from those areas are beneath you. Well, I’m from Barking and Dagenham and I’m beneath no-one in this area or anywhere else. I also do a lot to try to improve the lives of those in the community that has been my home since 1999…and inform them.

Valen (Myles) Cook, why did you leave Barking? What made you decide Thurrock was such a wonderful place you just had to move here? My betting is it’s the same reason a lot of other people I know that moved out of London over the last fifteen years. Go on say it doesn’t hurt. It begins with I.

NoVoice – How does “Got married and rented my brother’s flat” start with an ‘I’? And, before you ask, he moved here because it was the only place he could afford to buy a flat because the prices were cheaper back when he bought it…and that doesn’t begin with an ‘I’ either.

We both know what you were hoping I’d say because that would play into your rather mucky hands but sorry to disappoint you. You’ll just have to peddle your prejudices without my help. Why don’t you just have the guts to use the word you’re so reluctant to use or are you afraid to use it and show people just how prejudiced you are?

I think what NoVoice is implying is that when he says ‘I’ he means immigrants – perhaps NoVoice would confirm this is actually what he means.

And when Bernard87 talks about families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney he is talking about ‘ethnic minorities’. Perhaps Bernard87 would like to confirm this as well.

what are the pros and cons of this massive wave of immigrants that has hit thurrock in the last few years?.

Curry Goat? Nepalese Curries? Kielbasa? Land Snails?

Ed – I know that’s what NoVoice meant, I just wasn’t going to be the one to voice that word. And as for Bernard87, if he meant ethnic minorities he should say that and not just blanket all people from those areas with the same slur. As his comment stands, as a former resident of the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham, I find it offensive.

rocket1 – Now that’s a very good question! I wonder if anyone has an equally good answer for you?

Myles/Ed –
I said ” I’m well aware of the tide of ex-Londoners who move out to the suburbs. I am one of them after all. However I moved out to live somewhere that was not London in all but name and those particular areas are high in crime and have a whole host of other inner city problems which I would rather not see transplanted to Thurrock considering we have enough problems here as it is.

If all these families are law abiding, hard working folk then I’ll welcome them all but I fear that councils will simply move problem families, or families with many children out here to ease the burden on themselves. Not to mention asylum seeker and/or refugee status families”

As for Barking and Dagenham Myles….It has become a horrible run down borough completely ruined under a continuous Labour council. However that does not mean that all residents of that borough are ‘beneath me’. Thurrock is hardly Kensington for me to think that people living less than 10 miles away are ‘beneath me’.

Bernard87 – Your initial comment included the statement “That said, I’m not so keen on families from Barking and Dagenham, Islington, Newham and Hackney moving here” which is the comment I took offence at. It tarred everyone from B&D with the same brush.

Hs everyone been on holiday for a few years. I make no bone3s about saying that a vast number of the problems being faced by this country is because of mass immigration. For people to deny that people are moving out of London becasue of the situation with imigration into London is denial of the truth.

The left and the politically correct have been in denial for over a decade. Only now do the Labour party start accepting they were wrong because thehy know its going to be one of the things that is going to cost them the next election. They have to look to be on the side of the people but when they get into power they can go back to calling white British people bigots.

It was the Labour party that created the situation surrounding the welfare state. They denied it for 15 years. Now Liam Byrne has been on the TV to say that they’ve changed their miinds and they’re going to cap welfare payments. They’ve seen the light or is it the votes pouring down the drain again.

The left are hypocritical liars that will turn on a sixpence if it will win them the next election. To all those that support the Labour party, you have backed Labour’s stance on not limiting welfare for the last 3 years. No cuts, More borrowing, more welfare, more immigrants. What are you backing now. Are you going to go along with the complete reversal of your party’s policies on just about everything. Do you now support caps on immigration, welfare,spending. They’ve admitted they got it all wrong and now they’re going to do what the Tories are doing. Why not just vote Tory.

Mmmmm so thats Havering, Redbridge, Newham, and Barking and Dagenham, the last of whom we have some sort of (managerial) partnership.
The last four of which are ‘sending’ their homeless families to Thurrock.

Togther those authorities waste is handled by the ‘East London Waste Authority’. Yet no way can Thurrock residents use the ELWA Gerpins Lane waste/recycling facility.

No inconsistency there then.

NoVoice – All politicians are hypocritical liars or haven’t you worked that out yet? The Tories were hypocritical liars during the last General Election by saying there would be no top-down reorganisation of the NHS and continue to be hypocritical liars by misrepresenting statistics to back up their hatred of the poor, the sick and the disabled, to lie about the amount of funding of the NHS and to lie about paying down the deficit when public spending has actually increased. The Lib Dems were hypocritical liars during the last election by subsequently joining forces with the Tories. Labour took us into an illegal war by lying to the public during Blair’s reign.

Hypocritical lying isn’t just the province of the left; it’s the province of partisan politicians on both sides.

Valen Myles Cook you seem to be missing the point. The Labour party are going to do what the Tories are doing. So presumably they hate the poor, the sick and disabled. There is no lie about NHS funding. It has gone up by £16 billion in 3 years. The debt is never going to be repaid by any government. The structural deficit is entirley the fault of the Labour party. If you think things are bad now, just wait a few years. There won’t be an NHS in it’s current form and welfare will be cut to the bone. The other choice is to take people’s savings and pensions and impose massive wage cuts on public sector workers. I wouldn’t be surpried to see UKIP gain seats at the next election becasue I doubt very much the main parties want to have to deal with the aftermath.

NoVoice – In real-terms, NHS funding has gone down. Public spending has gone up. I also said that hypocritical lying was the province of all parties so I was in no way absolving Labour of past lies or indeed future ones. Of course, until Labour gains power again, we will not know for sure what they will actually do because we all know that whatever a party says to gain power is utter bull and they do the opposite (as ably shown by the Tories). I will wait until Labour show their true colours as regards the poor, the sick and the disabled before I start to slag them off (and, believe me, I will condemn them as vigorously as I do the ConDems). Meanwhile, the ConDems have assisted in the suicides and early deaths of thousands of citizens, most of whom are from the most vulnerable groups in society. No other previous Government has been so callous and that’s the immediate point.