Monday, December 5, 2022

Jewish residents angry at Doyle-Price response to “Yiddo” chant controversy

A CHAFFORD Hundred resident has reacted with anger at the stance Thurrock MP, Jackie Doyle_Price has taken on the Spurs “Yiddo” chant controversy.

For many years, Tottenham Hotspur fans have uttered the chant as both a reference to the jewish fan base at the club as well as a reaction to anti-semetic abuse from other clubs.

However, writer David Baddiel has taken issue with this. He has said that the use of the word is unacceptable.

Mr Baddiel was disappointed that the prime minister, David Cameron took the stance that the term is only offensive if it was “motivated by hate”

Chafford Hundred resident, Steve Silverman agreed with Mr Baddiel and felt so strongly about this that he wrote to Thurrock MP, Jackie Doyle-Price.

Mr Silverman said: “I am writing to you further to the Prime Minister’s recent observations regarding the behaviour of the supporters of Tottenham Hotspur football club. He has declared publicly (and I paraphrase) that their self-referential chanting of the word “Yid” is acceptable because it there is no malice attached to it, it is empowering, and it is all harmless fun. In expressing this opinion, Mr Cameron has displayed a degree of ignorance that belies both the education from which he has benefited and the position he now holds.

This chant has been a running sore for many years. Were it true that it is sung by Jewish fans using irony in the face of anti-Semitism, it would still be offensive to many. It is, however, a long time since Spurs had a fan-base with a high Jewish contingent. As I understand it, eighty to eighty-five per cent of its supporters are now non-Jews.

“Yid” is derived from the German word. ‘Jude’. When Jews were being beaten up in the streets in Nazi Germany, this was the insult with which they were taunted.

There is absolutely no context which justifies the use of this word, and Mr Cameron has no authority, moral or otherwise, to decide on my behalf that it is acceptable. From someone who regards himself as a statesman, this is crass and ignorant behaviour.

“It is utterly depressing that the Football Association shows more sensitivity towards this issue than the man who leads the country. It will be of little concern to him, but this week he lost my vote.”

Ms Doyle-Price replied.

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Mr Silverman is unhappy at the response.

He told YT. “I think Jackie Doyle-Price is out-of-touch. The case is unarguable and the police have already made arrests. Would she have made the same statement if it was the “N” word or the “P” word. I am very disappointed.”

8 COMMENTS

  1. I think this is all being blown out of proportion now, Spurs fans have classed themselves as The Yid Army for decades and this is not to cause offence to anyone, if we are to start vilifying people for this and using the current laws of the country to make arrests we then need to also include those fans who mock any Welsh based clubs with the Sheep Sh****r chants, or those from the North of the country, then we come onto the religious chanting between the Old Firm in Scotland.

    Do we then start doing the same for Ginger haired people who take offence to the chants about their hair.

    Remember the old adage “Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me”

    We are starting to become a country where people are scared to say anything just in case it offends someone….

  2. The point here is that if you are going to outlaw negative ephithets for one group of people, you have to be consistent. For centuries, black people were abused, enslaved and deprived of their basic rights, all because of the colour of their skin. Consequently, the ‘n-word’ is now, quite rightly, taboo, and those who use it are treated as pariahs. The Jews were the victims of attempted extermination on an industrial scale because of their religion. How, then, is it acceptable for the most hateful term that can be used to describe a Jewish person to be chanted openly with impunity at a football match?

    It doesn’t surprise me in the least when this position is taken by the man in the street. When it is defended by those involved in running the country at any level, that is another matter altogether.

  3. You mention the N word, so do we now arrest every black rapper who uses that word in their lyrics? or is it Ok for them to say it as they are black??

    As I said it is a word it cannot harm you, we have become a very PC state where freedom of speech is slowly being withdrawn as a right in this country.

  4. It is absolutely true that a word cannot harm you. The intent in the mind of the person using it, however, can.

    I had no idea that our freedom of speech hinged on our ability to chant racially abusive ephithets.

  5. But in these context are they seen as racist chats? the spurs fans use the word themselves to describe themselves without any malicious intent so therefore it is only a word without any real meaning, the same as the majority of Black rappers who address each with the N word, this is used without any harm intended or any inference of racism, this all has to be seen in context and I seriously doubt that the Spurs fans are using it in any racial hatred terms

  6. There’s the rub; they aren’t describing themselves. A very small minority of the Spurs fan base is actually Jewish. I do not know of a single Jewish person who approves of the word ‘Yid’ in any context. In fact, I have a cousin – a lifelong Spurs fan – who stopped attending matches because he couldn’t tolerate the chanting. As for the use of the ‘n-word’ in music, if we’re going to start using rap culture as a benchmark for what is acceptable behaviour, we’re in deep trouble! I could be wrong, but my understanding is that most black people outside of that world deeply dislike its use of the ‘n-word’.

    For the record, I have no time for political correctness. I believe it to have done irreparable harm to this country. All it does is to make people more wary about what they say and do in public. It doesn’t change what’s in their heads, what they say behind closed doors. This issue has nothing to do with being PC.

  7. i agree with Mr Silverman,it is a horrible word and i very much doubt if any Jewish person would use it nor enjoy listening to it being chanted.

  8. I take Lambos view on this topic. Spurs fans chanting it is not supposed to be taken as an insult.

    From what I can remember from an old school friends grandad telling me…Spurs fans going back 80-90 years ago used to get constantly abused by other team supporters due to the fact that the vast majority of Spurs fans were Jewish, hence ‘Yid Army’. To counteract this abuse the fans decided to take up the chant themselves, in a similar way to how black slaves in America decided to capture the N word.

    Whilst the dynamics of London has changed and many Jewish people no longer live in Inner London or suburban Essex for that matter Spurs fans are by and large pretty proud of their Jewish history and it would be a shame to ban them saying it, not to mention be pretty difficult.

    You will also find that out of West Ham, Spurs and Arsenal Spurs fans tends to be the most tolerant.

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