Thursday, September 29, 2022

Mr Perrin’s Blog: Cllr Kerin and the Referendum

Peter Perrin

Mr. Perrin’s blog: “A Word in Your Ear”

IN response to Cllr Martin Kerin’s article in which he makes a case for a confirmatory “final say” referendum with regard to Brexit.

Casting my mind back to the “summer days” of 2016 I recall that the referendum was a simple yes/no vote to either remain a member of the EU or leave. There were no caveats or conditions.

Cllr Kerin, you say that a “No Deal scenario” was not on the ballot paper and cannot therefore be justified, does it not follow that as leaving the EU “subject to a Deal” did not appear on the ballot paper that condition also cannot be justified?

Cllr Kerin, you say, “The key argument that many use against a confirmatory referendum is that it goes against the will of the people.” You go on to say, “However, the will of the people was not set in stone on 23 June 2016, just as it wasn’t on 5 June 1975. It is allowed to change.” You also say, “It isn’t undemocratic to check with the people if it is still their will to leave the EU. More democracy isn’t bad for democracy.”

The trouble I have with your argument is that I believe what you really mean is the will of the people and democracy are acceptable as long as they accord with the wishes of “remainers” like yourself and, under the guise of “more democracy” you will continue to browbeat the people into accepting your version of Brexit.

Cllr Kerin, you say that, “The 2016 Leave campaign was based around many themes, but not around a case for a No Deal exit. There was no talk of creating a low tax, low regulation “Singapore-on-Thames” here in the UK. If you ask Leave voters in the economically depressed, left-behind areas of the country that voted massively for Brexit, this is the last thing that they would want or expect from Brexit.” Cllr, how many people from these areas have you actually asked for their views or is your comment merely an assumption on your part?

Cllr Kerin, you ask, “How many of those who voted Leave in 2016 would now back a No Deal exit?” Based upon my own experience, that is talking to Leavers, they are even more determined than they were in 2016 that Britain should leave the EU. If that means leaving without a deal, then so be it.

Cllr Kerin, you say, “Since 2016 numerous polls have shown a shift towards remaining in the EU.” If my memory is correct, more than 70% of the people of Thurrock, who voted in the 2016 referendum, voted leave and I do not believe there has been any significant change in Thurrock towards remaining in the EU, a situation which could cost the Labour Parliamentary candidate dear if there were a General Election in the near future.

Cllr Kerin, you say, “One thing is for sure, a second referendum {confirmatory referendum} would settle the argument one way or another. I somehow doubt that would be the case. If the result of a second referendum confirmed the peoples wish to leave the EU, deal or no deal, I suspect there would still be some zealous “Remainers” who would ignore the democratic result and undemocratically continue to campaign against it.

Cllr Kerin, it is the “Remainers”, especially the politicians, who have flouted democracy over the past 3 years. The people of the UK did not agitate or demonstrate for a referendum, they were gifted it by Parliament who said they would abide by the result. In their arrogance the politicians believed there was not :a snowball in hell” chance that the people would vote to leave the EU and it would silence Nigel Farage and those who supported him once and for all. How wrong they were and how shocked they were, they just could not believe it. They said the people had made a mistake, they didn’t know what they voted for, they were mislead, they were lied too. The truth is the Remainers, especially Remain politicians are bad losers.

Having passed authority to decide to the people all that was democratically required of the politicians was to implement the decision regardless of their own views. To do otherwise is simply an affirmation that politicians cannot be trusted to keep their word and honour promises made.
To conclude, your claim “more democracy isn’t bad for democracy” is, in my opinion, really just a ploy to obfuscate an issue until you get your own way.

Brexit, Brexit, give us an answer to it,
You have driven us crazy, now just get on and do it.

To the tune of “Daisy, Daisy, give me an answer do”.


  1. Sadly, Thurrock is a ‘leave’ area. Sadly, leaving the EU is a great act of economic self harm. Happily, the UK has a strong European movement who will campaign for a return or at least a deal with our European neighbours. Politicians have a difficult job to do, we elect them, we get the quality that we deserve. In the last three years, companies up and down the country have had to restructure their businesses at great cost because of Brexit. Not sure this drain on the economy is something anyone voted for. Now that we know the facts on Brexit, let’s have a confirmatory vote like councillor Kerin says. What are Leavers afraid of.

  2. c100boyz, It is not a “confirmatory” vote that “Leavers” are afraid of, it is the likelihood that, if the “confirmatory” vote was a close one in favour of leaving the EU, “Remainers” would again not accept the result, especially those MPs who want to revoke “Article 50” and pretend the 2016 referendum never happened.

    You say that, “Politicians have a difficult job to do, we elect them, we get the quality that we deserve”. MPs handed the decision whether to remain or leave the EU over to the people and said they would abide by the people’s decision, arrogantly assuming that the result of the referendum would be to remain in the EU. How wrong they were and ever since they have shown what bad losers they are.

    You say that, “In the last three years, companies up and down the country have had to restructure their businesses at great cost because of “Brexit”. There are also many Companies and Businesses, big and small, who say they would welcome leaving the EU and believe they and the UK would prosper. It is the shenanigans of the “Remain” MPs over the past three years and the uncertainty caused that is responsible for the problems facing Companies and Businesses.

    You say you are, “Not sure this drain on the economy is something anyone voted for”. Correct, people voted on a simple question, “Do you want to remain in or leave the EU”? They gave their answer.

    You say, “Now that we know the facts on Brexit, let’s have a “confirmatory” vote”. The so called facts are simply facts according to Remainers, based upon assumption and scaremongering.

    Instead of being bad losers the “Remainers”, especially the MPs, should accept the decision to leave the EU and unite to ensure its success.


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